Thread: My Motivation

This is my first post here and it's a long one. I on a Hypnotherapy Diploma Course currently and here's a piece of homework I did using three nested stories with some embedded NLP work to provide motivation to help someone through procrastination. Although I haven't used it live yet, myinstructor rated it A- and he's never given a higher mark.

Motivation to Overcome Procrastination by Andrew Fogg

Introduction

I am assuming that I have already elicited from the client that his primary outcome is to be able to prioritise his workload according to a balance of urgency and importance and then just to complete it in the most efficient manner possible.

I have based this script around three interconnected stories that talk around the subject of procrastination and how to motivate oneself beyond it. The third story describes briefly how someone used the NLP “Godiva” technique to overcome procrastination and installs that process into the client’s unconscious to help overcome procrastination in the future.

I would use this very minimal induction, if I was working with a client used to hypnosis. If not, I would just get them to relax and start telling the stories, as I just want the client to focus on my voice and let the stories do the rest of the hypnotic work. If the client still had his eyes closed at the end of the stories, I would ask them to thank their unconscious and bring them out of the trance in the normal way

Optional Induction

Make yourself comfortable now or as soon as you are ready…Now…and I don’t know now if you will have both feet flat on the ground…or on the footrest of the chair…while your hands are just separate…hands…apart right and left… and right on your legs…or perhaps the arms of your chair…Aren’t they…whatever is right for you…And I don’t know if you’ve noticed that it’s better to have your feet apart…or your legs uncrossed…while you are sitting there on the chair.

And you may be thinking consciously about what I am…saying…these words to you…While the more you listen to me…the less you are understanding with your conscious mind…Aren’t you…Because it’s your ears that I am speaking to…And your conscious mind can only be aware of so much, while your unconscious mind knows everything you know, now don’t you…So it doesn’t matter if one of you feels the need to move slightly…now and again…Does it…As you don't have to be absolutely still while you're feeling comfortable or just sitting there…Now…Aren’t you.

Story 1

Many years ago, Mike summoned me to meet with him to discuss a big opportunity for me. Mike was my mentor and a senior director in the multinational computer company I was working for. He started by saying, “Andrew I know that you are working very successfully as a salesman - one of our best in fact. Paul, my boss, and I were talking about you a few minutes ago about you taking over the Strategic Planning service we offer our customers.” Mike went on to explain that Paul was saying that “we just have to get some new blood into this area as the man currently leading it is getting nowhere fast. I know that Andrew’s a little inexperienced, but he has the skills to do it and he’s always comfortable working with boards of directors.”
Mike went on to explain that the company’s spending hundreds of thousands of pounds developing the Strategic Planning Process and we just have to get it to work.” I said yes, because “I know that Mike has my best interest at heart and he’s always looked after me.” However, I was nervous, to say the least. I kept thinking to myself, “I’m still developing a successful sales career to follow on from my earlier successes as technical person and I’m making a lot of money. However, I know it’s the right choice.” I had to get started right away.

After a few months, here I am sitting in Cheltenham preparing to start my first Strategic Planning session with Oblix-Spurco a significant local engineering firm. I’ve met with their MD Tim several times and been briefed well by Graham – the former Welsh International Rugby player who developed the process. We’ve agreed that the purpose of the two day session is to help Tim to identify what his company needs in terms of IT to take the business forward.

Well, we start the process and it’s a real struggle. They are all arguing from different directions. Each person seems to have his own agenda and they all want the entire IT budget to spend on their area of the business. They are all arguing about the fine detail and nobody seems to be relating any of it to the goals of the business. I would later experience this even more dramatically at Wigan Metropolitan Borough Council where each Director runs a completely different function and, as Steve Jones, their Chief Executive, said to me, “each of my heads of department thinks the council runs just for his area of responsibility and has a plan to spend more than the total IT budget of the council. Even if they got everything they want, it will take years to complete.”

Fortunately, I’ve been expecting the problem with the Oblix-Spurco team and I have a process that allows them to get all this off their chest for an hour or so before chunking up to the highest level objectives for the business, agreeing the priorities and then chunking down level by level. This is bringing a bit more order to the session and by the end of the day, I am even beginning to see some cooperative team spirit showing through – Tim’s amazed. It’s better than his wildest dreams.

By the end of the second day, Tim’s even happier, we have chunked down to a prioritised list of IT projetcs and have an audit trail that allows him to chunk back up to where those priorities came from. He’s delighted. The same thing happened later at Wigan.

I call him up a couple of weeks later and Tim’s worried. He starts to explain that the business is changing and then his secretary calls him to an important phone call…


Story 2

When I was a teenager, I got very interested in Radio Control model aircraft, with some limited success. I was soon learning that I needed lots of money and, more importantly, lots of help – neither were forthcoming. Fortunately, I had plenty of both when I started out again in my 30’s and was very successful at it around the time I met Frank.

Frank became a good friend and either helped or followed me into many of my more hare-brained adventures – model jets powered by miniature gas turbines, aerobatic competition and, most exciting and hairy of all, helicopters. Helicopters are an interesting challenge to fly when you are sitting in them. How much more interesting when you are outside the helicopter and it’s flying towards you!

One of Frank’s dreams was to build and fly a large-scale, maybe 7 or 8 foot wingspan, radio controlled model of the famous US trainer aircraft of the ’30s, the Stearman PT-17 Biplane. His second goal was to fly that plane and win the club’s prestigious scale competition in September. He found the design he wanted and it was huge. And he planned to start on it at the beginning of March to give himself the 6 months he thought it would take to complete and test.

March came and Frank’s deeply into his project, not that he’s actually started on it yet. He explains that it’s such a complicated model and he’s spending all his time looking at options and each time he’s making even a small decision, all the other parameters are changing. He asks me if he’ll ever get started on it. He knows he’s building it or the competition in September and he must get started soon.

Several months have passed and Frank’s still not starting the project and he realises that he’s just got to start now that it’s coming into June and he’s doing more loops in his thinking than the plane will ever do in the air. He’s been through a few flat spins as well! Finally, at the end of June, he starts the project. There’s no other choice, he’s got 2 months left and 6 months work to do on it. He can see himself still working on it in September when he should be competing with it.

Oh boy, does he get started. He gets home early, skips dinner and most of his nights’ sleep and gets up hours before his wife and children. Like Frank, I forgot to mention his wife and children. He spends every hour that God gave working on the model and finished it on the evening before the competition – well, the middle of the night to be precise. He’s over the moon driving with his great new Stearman to the competition and feeling confident and happy about winning...

Story 3

I was on one of Richard Bandler’s seminars and I meet Derek. Speaking to him earlier, he seems too be a nice, confident and honest guy who’s running a successful business. He makes his money franchising out his car valeting service. I think he said that he has 6 franchisees now. He’s attending the seminar to learn to control stress, although he seems pretty relaxed enough to me.

We get to do an exercise together, one of many on these seminars, and the subject is developing a propulsion strategy. Specifically, we’re looking for something we congruently want to do, but don’t enjoy or feel we can’t do. Derek thinks for a moment and then a brilliant idea comes out of his unconscious, just like your unconscious can... can’t it. Now he knows what he wants to work on.

Derek explains that “I normally only work about 4 hours a day and I seem to know exactly what I have to do and I just get on with it. If something unexpected crops up, I am completely thrown and don’t even do the things I normally do. I just don’t seem to start anything. By the next day, I know that I just have to do it or I’ll lose the business. Once I get started, it’s easy.” He goes on to say that he wishes he could do it like that in the first place.

We are just talking about this when one of the assistants comes over to help. These assistants just seem like an extension of your unconscious. Now and again, they just seem to pop up like an unconscious thought, don’t they? Anyway, this assistant suggests a technique that we can install in Derek’s unconscious and get it to run every time he encounters one of these situations or indeed procrastinates over any other decision he wants to make. It works just as well in your unconscious as well.

The assistant explained that “the process to install in your unconscious is as follows. Every time you find yourself congruently ready to take a decision to do a task that you wouldn’t normally enjoy, your unconscious follows these 5 steps.

1. Imagine something that you are really compelled to do and build a vivid picture of the experience - seeing what you saw, hearing what you heard and feeling what you felt. Hold that picture in your mind.
2. Now see another picture this time observe yourself doing the task you’ve decided you want to do and don’t enjoy.
3. Ask yourself if there’s any part of you that objects to doing the task.
4. Now see again the picture of you doing the task and imagine the compelling picture right behind. Open up a small hole in the centre of the task picture, noticing that you can just make out the compelling picture behind it and expand the hole very fast and just as much as you need to get the full feeling of compulsion Now shrink that hole quickly, but only as quickly as the compelling feeling stays with you. Repeat this process 4 more times just as fast as your unconscious can now.
5. Look again at the task picture and confirm to your unconscious that you are compelled to do it or repeat the process.

Now you are unconscious and your unconscious can store this compulsion process deep in the recesses of you mind; ready to run again every time you need some compulsion. You don’t need to remember any of this consciously, just like you don’t have to consciously remember to breathe, you can just trust your unconscious to do it for you. Finally thank your unconscious mind for this wonderful learning process.

Derek was fascinated by the experience and what little he could consciously remember of the process. It excited him that he now experienced an inexplicable compulsion every time he thought about those unexpected tasks - the ones he always seemed to procrastinate over. He couldn’t believe that it was so easy and comfortable. Still, the proof of the pudding would be in the eating - as they say.

I went away wondering how Derek will cope in new situations and my curiosity was answered when he called me a couple of weeks later – we had exchanged business cards. Derek was over the moon. He said, “This is transforming my life. I just get on with the tasks I know I need to do and when I need to do them. It’s not just happening at work, my family are noticing the difference. I just seem to have so much more time. I guess I used to waste so much time worrying over things I don’t enjoy doing.

Story 2, continued

… All Frank’s friends at the competition are amazed at the quality and beauty of his new Stearman and delighted to see him – after all, they haven’t seen anything of him for the last three months.

The Stearman’s inspected on the ground by the judges and they agree it’s flawless and award him the top marks. Now all he has to do is to fly it. He gives the model the final once over and with the engine pulling well; he takes it out to the flight line and takes off. It flies, he’s so relieved. He knows he should have test flown it, but he started so late. The model’s now about 10 feet off the round and Frank realises that something’s wrong. The tail shouldn’t be hanging that low, Oh no, he cries, I didn’t check the centre of gravity. The plane dances around the sky and he just manages to get it down safely, but he doesn’t win. It’s a disaster. If only he hadn’t dithered all those months.

The good news is that the model’s still in one piece and Frank can sort out the centre of gravity easily, it’s only another 12 months till the next scale competition. He’s already starting on the modifications. He doesn’t want that to happen again!

Story 1, continued

… I’m ringing Tim at Oblix-Spurco regularly over the coming months and his secretary is telling me that he’s too busy now. She assures me that he’ll call when he’s ready. Secretaries always say that, don’t they?

Finally, almost a year later Tim calls me and asks me to come down to meet with him. When I get there, he’s being very polite to me and seems apologetic. He explains they had been putting off some major changes they needed to make for several years – they just couldn’t seem to get started. He’d agreed to do the planning session because it only addressed IT, they would never have done it for the overall business strategy. However, after they looked at the results of the session, they realised that by chunking up and then down, they had seen what they needed to do to change the business. That’s what he’s been up to for the last year and he can’t thank me enough. He was very apologetic as we had won very little business from them in those 12 months. However, things are looking good for the future.

Andrew Fogg
August 2008

Thanks Liam for your reply. That sounds pretty amazing and interesting! Would love to see your work! Is it anywhere to see? Those events like you described are really shifting one`s attention. I am willing to learn, how I can use either events, but rather self created anchors or pictures, or "events" to guide my attention and motivation. I`ve tried some already, but want to become more involved, to get more success in influencing my motivation, or - guide my focus.
I trust to have awaken some thoughts and look forward to new "thought activation" offers -
A good week to everyone.
Torsten

Hi Andrew.
This is awesome - thank you so much for your story(-ies)! This is truly amazing, I will have some "play-around" with it ;-)
Are you going to use these techniques with your clients?
Would love to exchange thoughts with you.
Have a good week,
Torsten

Hi Andrew, I just wanted to give you a rating and it asks me to insert at least a certain amount text...hoping to not un-copywriting your work - here is the rating.
So, thanks again for this brilliant work and as said earlier, would love to exchange thoughts.
Kind regards,
Torsten

Originally Posted by arfogg

This is my first post here and it's a long one. I on a Hypnotherapy Diploma Course currently and here's a piece of homework I did using three nested stories with some embedded NLP work to provide motivation to help someone through procrastination. Although I haven't used it live yet, myinstructor rated it A- and he's never given a higher mark.

Motivation to Overcome Procrastination by Andrew Fogg

Introduction

I am assuming that I have already elicited from the client that his primary outcome is to be able to prioritise his workload according to a balance of urgency and importance and then just to complete it in the most efficient manner possible.

I have based this script around three interconnected stories that talk around the subject of procrastination and how to motivate oneself beyond it. The third story describes briefly how someone used the NLP ?Godiva? technique to overcome procrastination and installs that process into the client?s unconscious to help overcome procrastination in the future.

I would use this very minimal induction, if I was working with a client used to hypnosis. If not, I would just get them to relax and start telling the stories, as I just want the client to focus on my voice and let the stories do the rest of the hypnotic work. If the client still had his eyes closed at the end of the stories, I would ask them to thank their unconscious and bring them out of the trance in the normal way

Optional Induction

Make yourself comfortable now or as soon as you are ready?Now?and I don?t know now if you will have both feet flat on the ground?or on the footrest of the chair?while your hands are just separate?hands?apart right and left? and right on your legs?or perhaps the arms of your chair?Aren?t they?whatever is right for you?And I don?t know if you?ve noticed that it?s better to have your feet apart?or your legs uncrossed?while you are sitting there on the chair.

And you may be thinking consciously about what I am?saying?these words to you?While the more you listen to me?the less you are understanding with your conscious mind?Aren?t you?Because it?s your ears that I am speaking to?And your conscious mind can only be aware of so much, while your unconscious mind knows everything you know, now don?t you?So it doesn?t matter if one of you feels the need to move slightly?now and again?Does it?As you don't have to be absolutely still while you're feeling comfortable or just sitting there?Now?Aren?t you.

Story 1

Many years ago, Mike summoned me to meet with him to discuss a big opportunity for me. Mike was my mentor and a senior director in the multinational computer company I was working for. He started by saying, ?Andrew I know that you are working very successfully as a salesman - one of our best in fact. Paul, my boss, and I were talking about you a few minutes ago about you taking over the Strategic Planning service we offer our customers.? Mike went on to explain that Paul was saying that ?we just have to get some new blood into this area as the man currently leading it is getting nowhere fast. I know that Andrew?s a little inexperienced, but he has the skills to do it and he?s always comfortable working with boards of directors.?
Mike went on to explain that the company?s spending hundreds of thousands of pounds developing the Strategic Planning Process and we just have to get it to work.? I said yes, because ?I know that Mike has my best interest at heart and he?s always looked after me.? However, I was nervous, to say the least. I kept thinking to myself, ?I?m still developing a successful sales career to follow on from my earlier successes as technical person and I?m making a lot of money. However, I know it?s the right choice.? I had to get started right away.

After a few months, here I am sitting in Cheltenham preparing to start my first Strategic Planning session with Oblix-Spurco a significant local engineering firm. I?ve met with their MD Tim several times and been briefed well by Graham ? the former Welsh International Rugby player who developed the process. We?ve agreed that the purpose of the two day session is to help Tim to identify what his company needs in terms of IT to take the business forward.

Well, we start the process and it?s a real struggle. They are all arguing from different directions. Each person seems to have his own agenda and they all want the entire IT budget to spend on their area of the business. They are all arguing about the fine detail and nobody seems to be relating any of it to the goals of the business. I would later experience this even more dramatically at Wigan Metropolitan Borough Council where each Director runs a completely different function and, as Steve Jones, their Chief Executive, said to me, ?each of my heads of department thinks the council runs just for his area of responsibility and has a plan to spend more than the total IT budget of the council. Even if they got everything they want, it will take years to complete.?

Fortunately, I?ve been expecting the problem with the Oblix-Spurco team and I have a process that allows them to get all this off their chest for an hour or so before chunking up to the highest level objectives for the business, agreeing the priorities and then chunking down level by level. This is bringing a bit more order to the session and by the end of the day, I am even beginning to see some cooperative team spirit showing through ? Tim?s amazed. It?s better than his wildest dreams.

By the end of the second day, Tim?s even happier, we have chunked down to a prioritised list of IT projetcs and have an audit trail that allows him to chunk back up to where those priorities came from. He?s delighted. The same thing happened later at Wigan.

I call him up a couple of weeks later and Tim?s worried. He starts to explain that the business is changing and then his secretary calls him to an important phone call?


Story 2

When I was a teenager, I got very interested in Radio Control model aircraft, with some limited success. I was soon learning that I needed lots of money and, more importantly, lots of help ? neither were forthcoming. Fortunately, I had plenty of both when I started out again in my 30?s and was very successful at it around the time I met Frank.

Frank became a good friend and either helped or followed me into many of my more hare-brained adventures ? model jets powered by miniature gas turbines, aerobatic competition and, most exciting and hairy of all, helicopters. Helicopters are an interesting challenge to fly when you are sitting in them. How much more interesting when you are outside the helicopter and it?s flying towards you!

One of Frank?s dreams was to build and fly a large-scale, maybe 7 or 8 foot wingspan, radio controlled model of the famous US trainer aircraft of the ?30s, the Stearman PT-17 Biplane. His second goal was to fly that plane and win the club?s prestigious scale competition in September. He found the design he wanted and it was huge. And he planned to start on it at the beginning of March to give himself the 6 months he thought it would take to complete and test.

March came and Frank?s deeply into his project, not that he?s actually started on it yet. He explains that it?s such a complicated model and he?s spending all his time looking at options and each time he?s making even a small decision, all the other parameters are changing. He asks me if he?ll ever get started on it. He knows he?s building it or the competition in September and he must get started soon.

Several months have passed and Frank?s still not starting the project and he realises that he?s just got to start now that it?s coming into June and he?s doing more loops in his thinking than the plane will ever do in the air. He?s been through a few flat spins as well! Finally, at the end of June, he starts the project. There?s no other choice, he?s got 2 months left and 6 months work to do on it. He can see himself still working on it in September when he should be competing with it.

Oh boy, does he get started. He gets home early, skips dinner and most of his nights? sleep and gets up hours before his wife and children. Like Frank, I forgot to mention his wife and children. He spends every hour that God gave working on the model and finished it on the evening before the competition ? well, the middle of the night to be precise. He?s over the moon driving with his great new Stearman to the competition and feeling confident and happy about winning...

Story 3

I was on one of Richard Bandler?s seminars and I meet Derek. Speaking to him earlier, he seems too be a nice, confident and honest guy who?s running a successful business. He makes his money franchising out his car valeting service. I think he said that he has 6 franchisees now. He?s attending the seminar to learn to control stress, although he seems pretty relaxed enough to me.

We get to do an exercise together, one of many on these seminars, and the subject is developing a propulsion strategy. Specifically, we?re looking for something we congruently want to do, but don?t enjoy or feel we can?t do. Derek thinks for a moment and then a brilliant idea comes out of his unconscious, just like your unconscious can... can?t it. Now he knows what he wants to work on.

Derek explains that ?I normally only work about 4 hours a day and I seem to know exactly what I have to do and I just get on with it. If something unexpected crops up, I am completely thrown and don?t even do the things I normally do. I just don?t seem to start anything. By the next day, I know that I just have to do it or I?ll lose the business. Once I get started, it?s easy.? He goes on to say that he wishes he could do it like that in the first place.

We are just talking about this when one of the assistants comes over to help. These assistants just seem like an extension of your unconscious. Now and again, they just seem to pop up like an unconscious thought, don?t they? Anyway, this assistant suggests a technique that we can install in Derek?s unconscious and get it to run every time he encounters one of these situations or indeed procrastinates over any other decision he wants to make. It works just as well in your unconscious as well.

The assistant explained that ?the process to install in your unconscious is as follows. Every time you find yourself congruently ready to take a decision to do a task that you wouldn?t normally enjoy, your unconscious follows these 5 steps.

1. Imagine something that you are really compelled to do and build a vivid picture of the experience - seeing what you saw, hearing what you heard and feeling what you felt. Hold that picture in your mind.
2. Now see another picture this time observe yourself doing the task you?ve decided you want to do and don?t enjoy.
3. Ask yourself if there?s any part of you that objects to doing the task.
4. Now see again the picture of you doing the task and imagine the compelling picture right behind. Open up a small hole in the centre of the task picture, noticing that you can just make out the compelling picture behind it and expand the hole very fast and just as much as you need to get the full feeling of compulsion Now shrink that hole quickly, but only as quickly as the compelling feeling stays with you. Repeat this process 4 more times just as fast as your unconscious can now.
5. Look again at the task picture and confirm to your unconscious that you are compelled to do it or repeat the process.

Now you are unconscious and your unconscious can store this compulsion process deep in the recesses of you mind; ready to run again every time you need some compulsion. You don?t need to remember any of this consciously, just like you don?t have to consciously remember to breathe, you can just trust your unconscious to do it for you. Finally thank your unconscious mind for this wonderful learning process.

Derek was fascinated by the experience and what little he could consciously remember of the process. It excited him that he now experienced an inexplicable compulsion every time he thought about those unexpected tasks - the ones he always seemed to procrastinate over. He couldn?t believe that it was so easy and comfortable. Still, the proof of the pudding would be in the eating - as they say.

I went away wondering how Derek will cope in new situations and my curiosity was answered when he called me a couple of weeks later ? we had exchanged business cards. Derek was over the moon. He said, ?This is transforming my life. I just get on with the tasks I know I need to do and when I need to do them. It?s not just happening at work, my family are noticing the difference. I just seem to have so much more time. I guess I used to waste so much time worrying over things I don?t enjoy doing.

Story 2, continued

? All Frank?s friends at the competition are amazed at the quality and beauty of his new Stearman and delighted to see him ? after all, they haven?t seen anything of him for the last three months.

The Stearman?s inspected on the ground by the judges and they agree it?s flawless and award him the top marks. Now all he has to do is to fly it. He gives the model the final once over and with the engine pulling well; he takes it out to the flight line and takes off. It flies, he?s so relieved. He knows he should have test flown it, but he started so late. The model?s now about 10 feet off the round and Frank realises that something?s wrong. The tail shouldn?t be hanging that low, Oh no, he cries, I didn?t check the centre of gravity. The plane dances around the sky and he just manages to get it down safely, but he doesn?t win. It?s a disaster. If only he hadn?t dithered all those months.

The good news is that the model?s still in one piece and Frank can sort out the centre of gravity easily, it?s only another 12 months till the next scale competition. He?s already starting on the modifications. He doesn?t want that to happen again!

Story 1, continued

? I?m ringing Tim at Oblix-Spurco regularly over the coming months and his secretary is telling me that he?s too busy now. She assures me that he?ll call when he?s ready. Secretaries always say that, don?t they?

Finally, almost a year later Tim calls me and asks me to come down to meet with him. When I get there, he?s being very polite to me and seems apologetic. He explains they had been putting off some major changes they needed to make for several years ? they just couldn?t seem to get started. He?d agreed to do the planning session because it only addressed IT, they would never have done it for the overall business strategy. However, after they looked at the results of the session, they realised that by chunking up and then down, they had seen what they needed to do to change the business. That?s what he?s been up to for the last year and he can?t thank me enough. He was very apologetic as we had won very little business from them in those 12 months. However, things are looking good for the future.

Andrew Fogg
August 2008

Hi there Ryan, that is a very interesting thought that you are offering here.
I can absolutely agree to your statement. Motivation comes quite "naturally" when you have enough real desire to achieve (or avoid) things.
very good thought...
Torsten

Originally Posted by ryannagy

I find that if I have to spend time and energy motivating myself then something is "off." Lack of motivation is a sign of some type of mental/emotional block or perhaps an indication that I don't really want to do the task that I supposedly want to motivate myself to do.

In those times and areas where I have long-term, consistent motivation, I am usually motivated by curiosity and a desire to do/be or have something that fits deeply with who I "am" or want to be.

Just been re-reading Robert's Sleight of Mouth:

NLP Experts Store - Sleight of Mouth: The Magic of Conversational Belief Change

It's a delightful book that I've read about four times, remember the content for about a week - and then have total amnesia until I read it again....

Some interesting questions to explore your motivation in relation to change. I've amended them slightly:

Answer these questions and give yourself a score of between 1-5

1 How desirable is your goal?
2 How easy is it to achieve your goal?
3 Do you know specifically the steps you need to take to achieve your goal? Are you OK with them?
4 Do you have the capability to achieve the steps above?
5 Do you deserve to achieve your goal?

The answers gives you an idea of where to invest your effort.

A separate question to ask is 'what does motivate you?' Rather than think of what doesn't motivate you spend some time thinking about what does motivate you. - And some times the most extreme answers provide the greatest insight. Leads to all sorts of possibilities.

Thank you Michael, that is some food for thought..
Torsten